Oh man. I never got around to watching it!

Nice post!!

There are pricy probably admins who might appreciate this, as dangerous as it is.

Care if I post it into the lemmy community or even made the support community?

Thanks! I don’t have clear memories of that episode, but what you describe rings true. I literally just rewatched Disco S1E3 … and was I like “I forgot about the tardigrade!!” when it showed up.

Relatedly, Disco, and IMO Picard, have oddly underrated first seasons which may actually be the shows’ best, with deeper problems, for some fans, coming in as the show goes.

Oh yea I know. In the context of TNG though, where everyone else has US accents, Picard’s Britishness goes up to eleven on that word.

All good!

And they’re all strong points in Discovery.

But I’m not just talking about ethics, but the delivery of Sci-Fi/Star Trek drama about ethics. I don’t think any of the cited examples dug into their issues in the same way, and for me, as well, with the exception of the Vance-Osyraa negotiation (that was wonderful!) … and all I’m trying to do is use the episode to articulate, even for myself, why I feel the way I do about Discovery.

But in contrast, this lawyer (Neera) won by mainly by being a good lawyer (albeit in a tv legal drama kind of way). Setting things on fire with the first witness to create a bunch of fog and doubt about the premise of the case, realising that other important regulations impinge on the case and setting up testimony to substantiate the effect of those regulations.

My memory of most other officer-lawyers is that their methods tend to focus more on the moral “issyew” (Picard’s pronunciation of “issue” in Measure of a Man).

Yep … I was thinking of that episode when I wrote the post. Unfortunately I don’t have a clear enough memory of it to get into details, and I might find you to be right on a re-watch.

Nonetheless, my memory of the episode is that it wasn’t really about anything “ethically meaty”. It might have been enjoyable or interesting, but it seemed primarily character driven, inline with your summary of it (Burnham’s character especially and the dynamic of her immaturity, stubbornness and determination/ambition), which would mean it isn’t really relevant to my thoughts or as a contrast with SNW S2E2 … ?

No. Lemmy doesn’t allow you to follow mastodon accounts or any personal accounts, incl lemmy accounts, for that matter. Similarly, following a lemmy community from mastodon, while possible, generally doesn’t work well.

Kbin provides parallel interfaces to both threaded and microblog content that works well.

Generally though, it’s an unsolved problem trying to unify the whole fediverse into a single interface.

It will be interesting to see if lemmy will evolve to enable some sort of user based following. At the moment, keeping things simple with community subscriptions is part of how lemmy is developed.

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Well, SNW predates DS9, right, so this seems consistent with and even complementary to continuity, unless there’s something in TOS I’m missing.

It’s showing zero posts because she has never interacted with a lemmy community, or at least done so while your instance was subscribed to it.

This is instance visibility, a weirdness that affects all fediverse instances.

Ooh … how did you purge them from your user numbers? Many other admins might not know how to do that … maybe worth sharing?

Yea I’m unclear on whether commenting counts as being active. I would guess that it does.

You have a point, especially as lemmy defines “active” as a user that has at least posted once within the relevant time period. So yes, lurkers definitely wouldn’t count toward the active user count (mastodon and the like use different metrics AFAIU).

Yea, in general, it seems it was really just part of the whole season 1 shitiness and the crappy politics behind it.

I did a rewatch of the early TNG seasons not long ago and recall it being fairly obvious that even though S3 is “when it gets good”, there was a notable difference between seasons 1 and 2 with S2 being clearly underrated. I think S2 is more up and down, with episodes probably as bad as s1 (like the finale, but that’s unfair) but also with episodes clearly better. I would guess that it was S2 that kept the show alive.

Does an admin or something want to make “first contact”?

She probably doesn’t know this place or lemmy exists, and if she wants to post here, like all mastodon users, could maybe do with a pointer or two (but also a warning about following this community unless she’s ok with a firehose on her feed, which she might be).

Fuck yes … everyone in serious chairs and then Tim Russ is like “I can do the interview between my funk band sets, I’ll keep my guitar with me … because I am that fucking cool!”

Cool to see this, I will definitely watch.

Voyager was the first star trek that I got to see from the beginning as it aired. I remember talking about if the Intrepid was more advanced than the Galaxy class. But I’ve always had a mixed relationship with it that has sweetened over time.

Looking back, even as a young kid, my vague feelings were pretty accurate. One the one hand, it was almost certainly the best made star trek to date (where I’m happy to put DS9 in a separate “star base” category compared to the conventional exploration on a ship category). And honestly, probably the best made so far, SNW is yet to clinch that IMO. Janeway and B’Elanna as female characters were awesome, even as a kid I got that. And while the character of seven, for a het-male, had a clear purpose, the character itself, an essentially stubbornly neurodivergent and strong female, again, definitely registered as unique on television.

But the whole hesitancy over committing to actually being stranded in the Delta quad, also was clear to young me. And so I drifted in and out of keeping up with the show, which was always bitter sweet because I’d catch an episode here and there and think “Fuck yes that’s the shit”, even sometimes thinking “this should be the whole show!” (eg, year of hell, obviously, the one where they make an ad-hoc federation in a void). Over time I’ve come to appreciate the former more, and just how much Mulgrew and Janeway did (which this doc will probably focus on to some extent).