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Doesn’t matter if they do, Lemmy cuts off the connection after streaming the number of bytes it wants.

Interesting. I’ve always considered an API a way to control some other software, while a protocol is about different software communicating. IDK, I just don’t consider APub’s S2S an API. Don’t know if that’d hold up in court, but that’s what I think.

It’s a protocol, which I suppose you could argue is an API though that’d be a very liberal definition of API.

Okay. So again, what’s the problem? Everyone should be happy.

No one on lemmy.world will see anything Sag posts, ~ 1/3 of all Lemmy users. Not the end of the world, but it can be demotivating.

Humor me for a moment - if you go to a website, directly, do you have to abide by their terms of service?

No, a TOS is a contract, you have to agree to it to be subject to it.

Where are you getting the idea that I’m saying TOS shouldn’t be enforced? I’m not saying that, I’m disputing who it applies to.

You said, and I quote:

I just don’t think banning a remote user for TOS violation is a good one.

Remote user, i.e. someone who’s account isn’t on lemmy.world. Local accounts on lemmy.world should still be subject to the TOS.

Okay, well, they can still go there, it’s just that their content no longer federates to lemmy.world. I guess everyone should be happy?

It won’t federate to anyone, it’s the Group actor that forwards content to subscribers.

That’s not even close to equivalent.

I think it is actually. If posting to lemmy.world comm, who then forwards that content to comm subs, makes me a user of lemmy.world’s service, then I don’t see how I wouldn’t be a user of Cloudfair’s services in that case. I’ve still technically initiated an interaction with Cloudfair servers, even if indirectly.

If the ToS for dbzer0 included, say, something ridiculous, like “Don’t use the letter S”, and you used the letter S, would you posting here be a violation of the ToS, or not? Regardless of whether you think the ToS is reasonable.

Well no, I’m not a dbzer0 user so I don’t think I’m subject to their TOS. If it was in the comm or instance rules, then I’d be violating those, but TOS is for users of the service.

If ToS aren’t going to be enforced, you may as well not have them.

Where are you getting the idea that I’m saying TOS shouldn’t be enforced? I’m not saying that, I’m disputing who it applies to.

Can you post to Lemmy.world using an archive?

If not, the question seems of dubious relevance.

Federation between instances is like an archive in a state of flux. You can still access feddit.de content despite the service being down.

But going to Lemmy.world with an account isn’t making use of the service, so long as it’s not a .world account?

They didn’t go to lemmy.world with an account? They went to https://lemm.ee/c/[email protected] with a lemm.ee account. For my comment to reach you, it has to go through Cloudfair as lemmy.world uses them for DDoS protection. Am I subject to Cloudfair’s TOS?

But if no user from another instance is ever using any of the instances they post to, save for their own, how can an admin have the right to ban them?

It’s perfectly within lemmy.world’s remit to ban a user for whatever reasons they feel like, I just don’t think banning a remote user for TOS violation is a good one.

… what does count as making use of the service, if not posting to the service’s comms?

Using lemmy.word to access content. Using https://feddit.uk/post/25339637 to view the content is making use of feddit.uk’s services, using https://lemmy.world/post/26548121 is making use of lemmy.world’s services. Would using an archive to access a lemmy.world post be making use of the service?

Is it impossible to make use of the service unless you’re a user signed up on the service?

I wouldn’t say so, even going to lemmy.world without an account would be making use of the service in my mind.

If so, should it be regarded that admins have no authority to bar any user from another instance from the admin’s instance?

No? Community spaces can still have rules that govern themselves (that’s why sidebars federate), it’s just that terms of service are for people making use of the service.

And I disagree that that counts as making use of the service. Lemmy also sends Webmentions, if someone with a world account posts a blog post from someone and world then sends a Webmention to that blog, does lemmy.world’s TOS apply to the blogger? TOS applying over distributed systems is frankly impracticable.

I’m really not sure how the TOS apply given it opens with:

This Terms of Service applies to your access to and active use of https://lemmy.world/, it’s API’s and sub-domain services (ex alt GUIs)(we, us, our the website, Lemmy.World, or LW) as well as all other properties and services associated with Lemmy.World.

Sag wasn’t accessing or making active use of lemmy.world itself. This would be like an email provider blocking a particular address from another service because the user of that address doesn’t comply with a part of their TOS.

My favourite moment from them was when they were getting downvoted, so they accused the CCP of infiltrating the space.

They would have a lot more options in that case, like they could stop engaging or explain they’re not comfortable being open about it. Requiring having you’re gender identity display in your bio/display name would make it too easy to glean by potential abusers and thus make this platform unsafe for vulnerable trans people.

IDK, this would force closeted trans people either to out themselves or misgender themselves. Not everyone is in a position where it’s safe to be themselves, even online.

I use Emacs and love it. It’s an amazingly frustrating (and just plain amazing) piece of software, but it’s hard to move away from it because it’s the only thing like it. Maybe if Lem every gets mature enough I might switch.

I probably wouldn’t recommend it though as it doesn’t sound like what you’re looking for.

I’ve seen it mostly touted as an alternative to Substack.

Ah, so they are. The ones I’ve read have always been pretty prescriptive so I just assumed the c meant change.

Request for change, it’s more of open source/programming thing than this comm thing.

That’s just how Mastodon tags work, they get turned into HTML <a> tag with the href pointing to the local instance’s view of that tag. Lemmy then turns that HTML into markdown, hence all the links to poster’s instance.

[Lemmy has] no mechanism for a community owner to communicate a challenge to post to his community, so impossible to prevent spam.

Hey mods, you can do the funniest thing right now:

Why is Spacemacs listed separately to Emacs when it’s just a fancy Emacs’ config?