Nobody will stop them?

And the United States

Why does it really matter that issues can be “discussed” if the issue being discussed is as atrocious as what Israel is doing to Palestine.

Israel and the US know that what they’re doing is wrong. Them and their crony countries aren’t going to change course because of this.

It doesn’t exactly prevent WW2 if they tell Hitler to stop and he doesn’t listen…unless of course they choose to let him continue his goals unimpeded rather than go to war, citing their documented disagreement as sufficient counter action…

Damn, those Russian “orc hordes armed with shovels” sure are tough!

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Then you’re letting sentiment drive you rather than reason.

So you wouldn’t want the genocide to end if it came at the cost of someone killing themselves? Why?

Is the entire Palestinian population who are suffering a genocide worth less than a western life to you?

But I refuse to allow that someone’s opinion should be given more weight than mine just because they mutilate or kill themselves.

His opinion holds more weight than yours because he is right and you are attacking a martyr rather than focusing on the cause he was martyrd for.

Their mental disorder doesn’t confer moral superiority, it detracts from it.

Your insistence that they must be mentally ill/disorderd doesn’t negate moral superiority, it only further reveals your apologist mindset.

My handshake brings all the boys to the yard.

That’s unfortunate

It’s unfortunate that you would rather attack a man for the way he opposes a genocide than move on and oppose a genocide yourself.

You can’t support him because it would support his truth that we are all culpable, and you can’t face that reality.

And yes, it is America’s fault he has genocide on his conscience and felt compelled to go to such measures, he is a victim of America’s genocide. Was Hitler just suicidal in that bunker? Or do you recognize that external actions can influence such things in that case, and just choose to remain ignorant in this one?

Would you like me to be pro-suicide.

I would like you to be a sympathetic understanding human being opposed to genocide, who even if they don’t agree with this man’s actions themselves, recognizes the context they exist in and focuses towards the true goal of opposing a genocide, rather than attacking a righteous martyr.

But that’s a tall ask for Americans in the core of the genocidal imperialist project, unfortunately.

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Damn you’re pathetic and evil.

That’s tame in comparison to the genocide he is protesting.

What’s nuts is you attacking the man who was killed by the US support for genocide, rather than continuing to attack the US genocide.

If you disagree with his form of protest against the genocide, fine, ignore it and go do your own form of protest.

What’s the point in criticizing him? Make yourself feel better?

Self immolation is a long standing form of protest.

What have you been doing to bring an end to this genocide, besides criticizing others who made the ultimate sacrifice of martyrdom?

And your time would be better spent electing better leaders instead of setting yourself on fire.

So I take it this totally isn’t just your excuse/rationalization for attacking someone actually willing to take action against genocide and you will be following through on your idea?

So which candidate will you elect who opposes the genocide?..

Anyone who tacitly supports the genocide and doesn’t do everything in their power to bring an end to and oppose the genocide is culpable.

There is no form of protest against ongoing genocide which can be deemed “too extreme” because any form of protest will pale in comparison to the genocide.

The people who need help are the ones who can sit by and criticize people for their opposition to a genocide.

It’s not some silly game. Our lives are not more meaningful than Palestinians, this is awful, but it pales in comparison to what we are putting Palestine through.

For some people, not taking any action they can to try and stop the genocide, no matter how hopeless, is worse than death. When the pain becomes unbearable…

This man is a martyr and a hero, and he didn’t kill himself, the US and Israel killed him in the name of their genocide.

The true factor is that Israel is a solid foothold for the US in the Middle East long term.

Israel is also currently acting as a testing ground for weapons and feeding the military industrial complex information and funds.

Don’t absolve Biden and the US of our level of culpability by reducing us to followers led astray by Netanyahu (not saying it’s your intention to do this, but a side effect), this genocide is entirely supported by the US, we aren’t just riding along.

You really don’t want to have policy be swayed by suicides.

Yes I do.

I don’t care what method brings about the end of the genocide.

It encourages more people to kill themselves.

Yeah, if you stop a genocide thanks to people self immolating then people will start doing it to try and get weed legal next…

What really sucks is that America is aiding a genocide and most people don’t care.

How evil must you be to act like the people who talk about it often are “bullshitters and bot nets” because we don’t ignore the state of the world like you seemingly can.

If you refuse to speak up and take a principled stand against genocide, you are culpable.

Tacit support for genocide is indicative of mental illness.

So just accept your place in a broken system, got it. Just go support more increasingly right wing fascist policies and give up on any hope for Democracy.*

Pure strawman.

Pretty sure voting for a write in candidate/third party is, by definition, participating in the system.

You just accept the system is broken and undemocratic and believe others should accept this as well and give up.

You are more devoted to “order” than to justice; you prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; you constantly say “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; you paternalistically believe you can set the timetable on progress and constantly advise the progressive to to wait for a “more convenient season”.

You are the “white moderate” MLK warned of, as is the vast majority of the party, though not for long, as the party increasingly seeks the support of the right to avoid allowing any policy victory for the left.

You are increasingly the Republican party of Cheney, as demonstrated by, not only his support for the party, but by the party and Kamala herself touting the endorsement, rather than ignoring it/distancing themselves.

Alaska has a Republican Governor along with a Republican Majority in the house and Senate, they have no restrictions on abortion.

Does this mean the Republican party is pro-choice or that by voting Republican we can secure abortion rights? The answer is no.