You bring up a good point regarding the Jewish voters but there’s still strong evidence that claims she would have gained more than she would have lost. There’s a lot of hypotheticals regarding this situation and some factors that don’t come into play like the lobbying money that the Harris campaign would have lost and the crap Trump would have said (other than what he already did). So I’m sure we can talk about this topic for a very long time.

If Vice-President Harris were to demand an immediate ceasefire that would allow unimpeded aid into Gaza, such a move would be strongly supported by her voters while being opposed by only a scant number. A detailed view of the cross-tabulations shows significant gain and very little risk for Harris by taking this stand - including very positive outcomes and few negatives among most key groups, including a plurality of Jewish voters. It would also win her the support of a plurality of those voters who are currently supporting third party candidates or who remain undecided.

Overall, if Harris where to take this stand, her vote tally would increase from 44% to 50%.

The same results hold true if Harris were to suspend arms shipments and withhold diplomatic support for Israel until there was a ceasefire and withdrawal of forces from Gaza. Such a stand would also increase her support from 44% to 49%

Aside from that, I just wanted to say that I remember you and I had a brief conversation in the Political Discussion community a few weeks back and you mentioned how much Trump and MAGA had affected your personal life. I just wanted to say I’m sorry you’re going through this again and wish you the best, for whatever it’s worth. Neither of us wanted another Trump presidency (and I’m not even American), and I hope the next 4 years are good to you.

I thought the same as well, for a time at least. I’m not sure if it was just me being hopeful or what. I got the impression that she was slightly more sympathetic to the whole situation than Biden was for sure though. That being said, I definitely think her stance hurt her more than helped her. There’s polls saying she would have won a lot of votes in several swing states if she changed her stance. And we know that the war was unpopular with majority of Americans, especially Democrats. My guess is that lobbying money seemed to good to pass up. It’s shitty that the world has to deal with a fascist wanna-be dictator because of these kinds of stupid situations and decisions.

Well hopefully it continues and this incident doesn’t make the city reverse it. Thanks for the added context.

Is this a new measure for Portland? I’m guessing people didn’t know about it? The link doesn’t really give details.

Me too. She’s like a Bernie 2.0. She deserves a lot of respect for standing up for what’s right.

I feel bad for AOC. She has to work with people daily that actively and vocally wish her harm and who have a rabid cult as followers. She honestly has a lot of guts to do what she does and say what she says. She is one of the few in Congress who actually deserve to be there.

The problem with it is that it was more or less the same thing Biden said and it’s been abundantly clear Biden does not care for a ceasefire. The Arabs wanted more than that. They wanted her to admit that what Israel was doing in Gaza and Lebanon was wrong. They wanted her to say that she would take a firmer stance than Biden would on Israel. They didnt want her to say that she supports Israels right to defend itself, or for Tim Walz to say he supports Israels right to expand its borders, or even to campaign with Liz Cheney. The icing on the cake was Bill Clintons very stupid attempt to justify Israels killing of civilians a day or two before the election. What she said clearly wasn’t enough and she repeatedly ignored them as well as the DNC actively trying to silence them.

I believe she did end up taking a slightly firmer stance a few days before the election, which is likely due to her not polling so well. I’m not sure if your quote is from that time or from before. But I think a lot of Arabs saw it as “too little, too late” kind of thing.

She didn’t have to condemn him, she could have just said “I feel we should be doing more and take a firmer stance saying that genocide is not ok”. Something as simple as that would have rallied a lot of the Arabs to her side.

This is going to get removed. You might want to post this to the political discussion community.

I guess Ukraine is making a final push before Trump takes office. It’s a sad and haunting reality to face.

No he won’t. He gets paid too much not to.

Edit: For those of you who don’t believe me and are just downvoting me. Biden has received more money from Pro-Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history.

Very true. But it’s not like he doesn’t have an endless supply of those idiots already.

Trump only does things when he sees a tangible benefit to himself. “Doesn’t cost him anything” is not really Trumps line of thinking.

That being said, I guess we’ll see in a bit.

I actually wonder if he’s gonna pardon the Jan 6 rioters. It’s not like he needs them anymore.

The problem with the Democrats is they didn’t really listen to the actual topics of the voters and instead relied on people voting against Trump.

The fact that Biden dropped out last minute should have been an indication that Harris should have went on her own path. But she maintained status quo wherever she could and people didn’t like that.

It’s not a good idea because at the end of the day even if you’re not interested in politics, politics is definitely interested in you. Thse people are just burying their head in the sand and ignoring the real world.

It’s not that uncommon for people to block all that stuff out for personal reasons. Lemmy itself has some users that intentionally filter out all political stuff from their feed. I don’t agree with it, but there’s a lot of people like that.

That 0.639% of the population actually has a lot of them in a critical swing state that helped Biden win 2020. Harris lost Michigan by less than 85K votes, they could have made the difference.

I’m not happy about this outcome either, it’s an incredibly shitty day for any progressive in any country. But the end result is simple. Less people felt compelled to vote for Harris here than they did for Biden in 2020. It’s not about a “everything or nothing” mentality, it’s about delivering a message that makes people want to go out of their way to vote for her. She alienated a lot of people by doing stupid shit like campaigning with people like Liz Cheney, saying she’ll have Republicans in her cabinet, supporting Israel, being tougher on border policies, supporting fracking, etc. They banked on having more Republicans vote for them than progressives being disenfranchised. Harris isn’t much of a progressive, especially on the world stage. She just looked to be a progressive when comparing her to Trump.

There’s no doubt there were other things like misinformation campaigns and such. But they knew about this for a long time and should have prepped for it better.

Her platform and campaigning wasn’t good enough. It’s the unfortunate truth and people need to accept it. Trump got less votes than 2020, and he still won. Because Harris didn’t inspire enough people to vote. She tried to work with the “progressive” Republicans and get their vote. Like I said above “Better than Trump” is not something that incentivizes people to vote for.