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    China is widely suspected of supplying Russia with equipment and materials to support their war, however no-one has adduced anything concrete to support that theory so far.

    The article itself doesn’t cite much in the way of sources or evidence, other than mentioning a report by Molfar, the open source intelligence agency. Molfar has published reports on the same topic in the past, but there hasn’t been anything recently.

    If the Telegraph had new information or evidence they would be shouting a lot louder than this. This is most likely them covering up for a quiet day by dredging up some old rumours and repackaging them as news.

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      In other news, China is also widely suspected of supplying Ukraine with equipment and materials to support their war.

      Turns out, China isn’t a single entity but a bunch of companies that want to make a whole ton of money by profiteering off of war.

      The CCP doesn’t care about the conflict so long as they can claim neutrality.

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    Probably not for long given the state of the Rouble and the economy. Tech-wise Russia has nothing to offer and when it comes to the stuff China might be interested in, such as ores and oil, well you’d have to not send miners to the front to continue producing them. That Russia of all countries is importing metals should make you stop and think.

    Lenin is rotating in his mausoleum.

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      Russia provides a buffer, it’s the same thing as North Korea. China aids NK to keep US allies as far away from themselves as possible.

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      Not sure that makes it any better. Oppressing a country vs. helping oppress a country.

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        Politically it’s better. Ukraine has 16 countries that committed over a billion Euros. We’re not how many countries would back Taiwan.

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          I mean over a billion Euros is technically correct, the actual number however is more like 150 to 200 billion Euros

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            Of our hard-earned money, those degenerate warmongers (I’m looking at you, Urszula)!

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          the difference is in Taiwan’s case america would be directly involved and have already committed to this, it is likely Japan would also and some other countries are likely to contribute to. china wouldn’t have a hope

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        It:s a shame because supplying that gear to Ukraine would have helped China’s reputation on the international stage and bolstered trade. It would have not been well received by the Kremlin but a losing army can’t invade anyone else.

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      Oh no! Not the DJI Mavic Pro! Whatever will they do without

      *4/3 CMOS Hasselblad Camera *Dual Tele Cameras *Cine Only Tri-Camera Apple ProRes Support

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    Dual-use goods

    Such goods are classified as dual-use, meaning they also have civilian purposes, allowing China to skirt international sanctions and claim that it conducts only legal trade with Russia

    The “international sanctions” btw:

    You can’t just unilaterally decree someone can’t be traded dual use goods

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      Those are pretty international, y’know. What would your criteria be for calling sanctions international?

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        A large majority of the world engaging in sanctions and not the usual suspects regularly framed in the press as the “international community.” It’s framed that way to imply that the entire world is doing it besides a few “rogue states” like China, North Korea or Venezuela, as if they were handed down by the UN or the world is united in agreement with the western sanctions regime. What would be far more accurate than “international sanctions” would be “western sanctions.”

        For a more immediate example of how framing effects perception, look at all the people in this thread upset about China giving Russia weapons. No weapons are listed, just drones, helicopters, and metals. Upon opening the article you’ll see the drones arrived before the war and are presumably consumer electronics, and there are six undefined types of helicopters. Some posters even mentioned attack helicopters, as if the Telegraph would not be screaming about attack helicopters and not helicopters if that was the case.

        It’s a complete nothingburger and like all nothingburgers it plays with language to let you fill in the gaps using the context they have provided. Russia is being “armed” with some consumer drones, six personal helicopters, and metal, and the whole world is in uproar about it.

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          But, this is about as international as sanctions get. These are among the largest sanctions in history, in fact. Under your definition, no such thing as international sanctions ever happened. And the word “international” doesn’t imply global, planetary or a majority.

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            But, this is about as international as sanctions get.

            Not true, North Korea is sanctioned by everyone via the UNSC with more specific sanctions from other countries and bodies like the EU.

            And the word “international” doesn’t imply global, planetary or a majority.

            Right, when they say the international sanctions by the international community they’re definitely not trying to imply anything. I wonder in that case what they mean when they mention the rules based international order.

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    The West is just going to have to be the first side to master dominion over the psi-powered mind worms.

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    I wonder if this’ll lead to any sort of action against China. Generally people have thought that China wouldn’t outright support Russia with war materials because they can’t afford to be sanctioned by “the West”, as they’re much more reliant on trade with the EU and US

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    Would those unspecified metals be of good quality or is there a risk they might be the sub-par stuff that is said to be exported by unscrupulous Chinese companies?

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    There is no surprise that communist China would and is supplying their northern neighbor.

    If anyone is actually surprised about this, then maybe they’ll be surprised when I give them an amazing deal of being able to buy the official deed to the Golden Gate Bridge for only $300 and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps. Just constant me at 123-456-7890 for details.