cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/14096418
A link from @[email protected] to a 1972 talk by Grothendieck (including a recording; I donāt think Iād ever actually heard his voice before!). Itās interesting how complaints that seem very modern have existed for so long.
Iāve been taking every opportunity to meet scientists, whether in public discussions like this one or in private, and raise these questions. In particular: āWhy do we do scientific research?ā [ā¦] The extraordinary thing is to see how incapable my colleagues are of answering this question. In fact, for most of them, the question is simply so strange, so extraordinary, that they refuse even to contemplate it. In any case, they are extremely reluctant to give any kind of answer.
Iāve come to realize that in fact this satisfaction that scientists are supposed to derive from exercising their cherished profession, is a pleasureā¦ which is not a pleasure for everyone! [ā¦] Once youāve got your job, itās an imperative to move up the ladder. Once youāve moved up the ladder, even assuming youāve made it to the top, itās an imperative to be considered in the running. Youāre expected to produce. Scientific productionālike any other kind of production in the ambient civilizationāis considered an imperative in itself. The remarkable thing about all this is that in the end, the content of research becomes a second thought. Itās all about producing a certain number of āpapersā. In extreme cases, a scientistās productivity is measured by the number of pages they publish. Under these conditions, for a large number of scientistsācertainly for the overwhelming majority, with the real exception of a few who are fortunate enough to have an exceptional gift or to be in a social position and disposition that enables them to free themselves from these feelings of constraintāfor most, scientific research is a real constraint that kills the pleasure one can have in carrying it out.
What the fuck are they talking about? Yes, esoteric math exists, but this text just seems like misanthropy with extra steps. Maybe I donāt get it.
What do you find misanthropic about it? If anything, I feel like heās embracing the human side of research.
Just because the world supposedly ends in two generations (spoiler: it didnāt), doesnāt mean specialised knowledge production is utterly useless.
Also, thereās a whole science about scienceās societal position and function.
Fair point, and of course Grothendieck was notoriously extreme on this point (retiring completely from society and asking for his works to be destroyed). For us modern readers, itās probably more interesting to view this as a glimpse into his mind and the mind of the mathematical community at the time than any kind of guidance.