Edit: A few people have interpreted the title as serious, so I wanna clarify that it was meant as a sarcastic joke about how little sense the neurotypical world makes to me, but it is still legitimately me asking for help understanding said neurotypical world.

Was having a conversation with a friend today about why I seem unapproachable to people online. Apparently it’s for 2 reasons.

One is that I say “K.” all the time, as a short way of saying okay. She pointed out that most people find this rude and offensive. This kinda baffled me, because like why? She explained that like, if somebody were to give a long emotional speech and I just responded “K.” that would be offensive. That confounds me. So it’s rude in one context, and neurotypicals have decided to be offended by it in all contexts? But the reason it’s rude is what confuses me more. Apparently it’s considered lazy because you could have just typed out the word, but like, that applies to all text speech and nobody’s mad about people shortening those words.

But it got more confusing when she explained the second reason, which is that I end all of my sentences with proper punctuation, which she said “makes people feel like I’m done with the conversation and not interested.” But just a second ago improper grammar was rude, and now proper grammar is rude instead.

It baffles me. You can’t just use proper or improper grammar. Use too much improper grammar and you’re lazy and rude. Use too little and you’re also rude. But you can’t just use any improper grammar, you have to use the very specific subset of improper grammar that’s been deemed acceptable and not lazy (even though it’s exactly as lazy as what they do consider lazy.)

To be clear, I’m not bitter, and I’m definitely gonna adjust my behavior to hopefully seem a little less rude to people. I think that’s just a nice thing to do. I just find the neurotypical mind utterly fascinating. I don’t think they even realize how many contradictions exist in the social rules they all so easily accept.

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    8 months ago

    Often people are looking for some sort of validation, even when it’s not obvious.

    If they say “I can’t join you in the bar today, I have too much work to catch up on”, “K.” is not a good answer. Several aspects needs to be addressed, ideally:

    1. That’s too bad
    2. Next time
    3. Commentary on the state of work: Keep your head above water/your boss is such a jerk/we’ll make up for it after your deadline on Thursday/whatever, depending on the situation and your relationship.

    Basically, it’s a way to show that you care about what they’re telling you. It can be a bit exhausting at times.

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      8 months ago

      This is really helpful. I didn’t realize there were so many situations people were looking for validation. I just assumed when they said something like that it was just to quickly let me know and “K.” was all they needed.

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        8 months ago

        To expand on this, consider that others cannot know what you’re thinking without you telling them.

        You might feel “I’m looking forward to that and I think we will have fun together.”

        But if you don’t tell someone that, they are left to guess for themselves. That uncertainty is very uncomfortable.

        Neurotypicals learned to give and use clues to help navigate life and determine if they need to change their actions. But it’s a complicated balance. Most people don’t like being told “I’m not interested in that.” They’d rather hear “no thank you, maybe some other time.” But they’d also much rather hear “that sounds like fun!” than hearing “yeah sure”.

        It can be very difficult to imagine what it’s like to have a different set of information than what you yourself know. Practice this skill! It will help you in lots of situations. Do your best to reduce uncertainty while considering how it might feel to hear the new information you’re sharing for the first time.

        Good luck out there! <3

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          8 months ago

          Ah, I think the hangup for me wasn’t so much not understanding that they had different info than me, but that they wanted the info I had. Moreover, that they might feel differently about things than I did, and they knew that, so I needed to make sure they knew how I felt.
          When I see somebody just respond “K.” or “Alright” to an invitation to do something, that always made me happy enough to know that they were gonna be there because I figured if they didn’t want to, they’d have found an excuse to say no. I didn’t suspect that others might not just assume somebody was happy to be there the way I did. It’s helpful to know I need to clear up how I feel in some way for them to understand that I want to be there and enjoy their company.

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            People can agree to go to an event but have very different feelings about doing it. Some people will be extremely stoked about going, some will be happy about it, some will be like meh its better than sitting at home, some people won’t want to go but decide to anyway because they want to be nice, some may really not want to go but decide to go anyway out of a sense of obligation. The particular words you reply with express your interest level to some degree. A plain “k” will be interpreted as a meh at best.

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              I see. I always just determined that by their reactions once they showed up, and figured all that mattered until then was whether they had any desire to at all, which was usually conveyed easily with single word responses. I didn’t realize other people wanted to know your feelings beforehand.

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                8 months ago

                Ideally people want to have a general sense of how you’re feeling at all times. Not like in a disruptive way of always making announcements, but through things like the particular words you choose and facial expressions and body language etc.

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                  8 months ago

                  I can definitely adjust my words to express how I’m feeling better more often. The facial expressions and body language though I’m probably incapable of unfortunately on account of me actually having two separate disorders that make me unable to show physical expressions of emotion. Way back in middle school I was put in a special class to teach me both of those and I couldn’t even figure out how to trigger the muscles in my face to actually make any expressions, nor was I even capable of recognizing the body language I was supposed to be mimicking even when it was described to me.

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                    8 months ago

                    Huh, I’ve never heard of that. It must make things extra hard for you. What’s the name of that disorder?

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                8 months ago

                If that’s the case, just default to ‘interested because it sounds fun’ tone.

                When people connect socially they try to do it in a way that everyone in the group they’re inviting can enjoy themselves at least a little, so (as long as you genuinely want to go) letting them know in a ‘sounds fun’ tone will make them happy.