• BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    5 months ago

    A badge of honor.

    To be held in esteem by Israel - at any point in its history - is a deep stain on any reputation to put it mildly. Anyone with humanity is an enemy to fascists and ethnostates.

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        4 months ago

        And there it is - the holocaust, an all-purpose shield and sword.

        I stand by my statement and I doubt anyone honored via that program would endorse Israel today.

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          4 months ago

          Look mate I agree that Israel is probably committing genocide against the Palestinians. But that doesn’t mean that everyone that Israel has ever liked is tainted, that’s idiotic.

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            4 months ago

            The Nazis tainted everything they touched, I don’t see why this should be any different. And yes, the comparison is apt.

            Very few things in life are black and white - this is.

            You either support genocide or you don’t. You either support an increasingly fascistic apartheid ethnostate or you don’t. Lines are notoriously difficult to draw but they’re extremely clear cut here.

            Israel and the Zionist project gains legitimacy by proximity to genuinely honorable people like the ones you brought up - it’s rhetorical propaganda.

            I appreciate I’m taking a strong stance in my wording here but for gods sake, man - look at the whole thing. A dying empire is dusting off old world colonialism, complete with unabashed ethnic cleansing and the entire Western world is to-the-hilt complicit. History and systemic decline is being written. I don’t consider my language an overreaction - at all.

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              4 months ago

              I don’t think Jesse Owens was tainted just because Hitler congratulated him.

              I don’t think people that resisted the Nazis are tainted just because Israel thanks them.

              That’s why I disagreed with your initial comment.

              Just as we shouldn’t consider Jesse Owens to be tainted by Hitler’s endorsement, we shouldn’t consider anti-Nazi movements to be tainted by Israel’s endorsement.

              That’s all we seem to disagree on.

              Yes, we should be skeptical of Israel positioning WW2 heroes as champions of Israel’s interpretation of Zionism.

              Also for clarification: I’m opposed to Israel’s apparent genocide of the Palestinians. I think Israel’s crimes are more similar to the Americo-Canadian genocide of North America’s first nations than with the Nazi genocide of European Jews and other marginalized minorities. Ie Israel isn’t doing “murder factory” genocide, it’s doing “encroachment and suppression” genocide (and starvation, and persecution). Also similar to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.

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    5 months ago

    Now, here’s the kicker: the brazilian rightwing, which contains actual (veiled) nazis and other jew-hating groups, are siding with Israel on this matter. The jokes write themselves.

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    5 months ago

    It’s really weird to see how almost infantalizing the Israeli minister is towards the ambassador. Like he’s correcting a child or something. I suppose when you’re commiting genocide you carry that attitude with you everywhere.

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      So it’s a numbers thing, then? Until they get to that six million, all those dead kids don’t matter? What if they stop at 5.9 million, are the Israelis still murderers? Help me figure this out, I’ve always been curious how the minds of sociopaths work.

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          5 months ago

          Looking at their post history. I’m inclined to agree. However, there are plenty who say it un-sarcastically .

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        5 months ago

        You’re missing my point that there are no 6 million Palestinians, only about 2.5 million in Gaza and 3 million in the West Bank, so you will never be able to compare it to tho Holocaust, even if they kill every single one of them, that was my point. The 6 million is the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust.

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        That’s okay, Isreal will just call them self hating jews like anyone else Jewish who doesn’t fall behind the Isreali line

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          5 months ago

          Who cares? Israel has about as much standing to speak for jews as my local pastor has for speaking as the pope.

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        5 months ago

        I didn’t see any evidence of that Israel cares about what the living victims of the holocaust think.