• ExLisper@linux.community
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    I think so far this is what people wanted: end the status quo and apply shock therapy.

    His supporters hope that in the long run the economy will become independent and the country would come out of the never ending crisis. My guess is that everything will simply end up owned by private interests and while (best case scenario) the economy will do better, people will suffer even more.

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      The Argentinian economy will not do better, only the wealth of the neocolonial compradors will, and the wealth of their Global North capitalist masters.

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      ugh welcome to earth where the only way to have a healthy “economy” is for people to suffer. but we cant seem to just live in peace and help eachother out without monetary benefits. so people are forced to suffer because of greedy bastards.

      LETS GO WE NAILED IT GUYS

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      Yeah, because Friedman’s free market shock doctrine shit just isn’t working.

      Free market regulating itself is the next bullshit argument

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      They privatized many of the highways and you have to pass through toll booths every so often as ownership changes. These people provide no service, there are just taking the money. Same with much of the transit—many buses and trains are privately (mafia) owned.

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        Well, I guess we’ll see. Currently I don’t really see how privatizing everything and opening real estate market to foreign investors helps poor children but maybe it will. My guess is that when the private corporations take over everything they will squeeze even more money out of the poor but maybe the wealth will somehow trickle down. It’s definitely an interesting experiment. My other guess is that if this fails all the libertarians will say that it’s because he implemented all the policies they like so much wrong. If he succeeds I’m definitely voting for the right wing nutjobs in the next elections.

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          The historical record shows that there are no maybes about this. It’s obviously not an “interesting experiment.” There’s no sense in giving these rhetorical inches while they’re taking miles.

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            What historical record? Can you point to another country taking such a extreme turn to the right while being in similar situation? And not being met with sanctions like in Afghanistan for example. I’m genuinely curious.

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              Can you point to another country taking such a extreme turn to the right while being in similar situation?

              While that isn’t what I was talking about, Weimer Germany is the canonical example of a similar situation, but there are many examples.

              What I was talking about is the historical record of neoliberal shock therapies, which Naomi Klein documented well.

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              Shock therapy in Russia after USSR breaking up, maybe?

              That was more extreme, since it was not a transition from left-wing liberal democracy to right-wing liberal democracy, but from bureaucratic planned economy to a pretense at liberal democracy.

              Still some examples may apply.

              Say, if things state-owned or state-managed in Argentina now get privatized, one can look at the specific mechanism and whether it’ll be similar to what happened in Russia.

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          If he succeeds I’m definitely voting for the right wing nutjobs in the next elections.

          Uh, I saved this comment of yours for that one sentence.

          My views are rather libertarian, but I wouldn’t trust most of the real life libertarians (too trusting into thousands of shitcoins or excited with reading sci-fi and busy writing and discussing articles about mechanisms of anarchy in the ancap meaning of the word).

          However, if it comes to you voting for the “right wing nutjobs”, please remember that GOP in USA is not libertarian in any way, no more than Ukraine’s ruling party which uses the word sometimes.

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            I don’t live in USA. I would be voting for Konfederacja in Poland which has similar, libertarian ideas as Milei. They are always dismissed as idiots (and I tend to agree) but if Milei fixes Argentina I’m ready to eat crow and give them a chance.

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              Well, for the next 10-20 years I doubt I’ll have the option of participating in a real vote, not without a revolution. So wishing you well and wishing Argentinians well, what is described should work in theory, but it’s just too sharp a turn.

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              I would be voting for Konfederacja in Poland which has similar, libertarian ideas as Milei.

              They are in a solid chummy political party with neonazis and monarchists for years. This alone should tell you what kind of libertarians they really are.

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          how privatizing everything and opening real estate market to foreign investors helps poor children

          the wealth will somehow trickle down

          Spoiler alert: it never did.