• spauldo@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    No, I’m not denying anything about Hawaii because it’s irrelevant to the topic.

    I don’t argue that the PRC says it owns Taiwan. My argument is that, in reality, it’s just words. I could walk down the main street of Taipei today with my pants down and the PRC could do nothing to stop me. The ROC, on the other hand, can.

    Your civil war isn’t over yet. You can blame us for that all you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that the PRC does not, in fact, control Taiwan. And take this from an evil imperialist: if you don’t control it, it’s not yours.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      1 year ago

      I love how I’ve explained three separate times how this is relevant to the topic, and you just ignored that. It’s like when you talk to a telemarketer with a script they have to follow. 😂

      Again, your argument is nonsensical and I explained in detail why it’s nonsensical. China will either let people of Taiwan kick US out the way people did in Hong Kong, or they will take action to kick US out. Either way, the end result will be that US is going to lose its unsinkable carrier.

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        1 year ago

        And I’ve explained several times why Hawaii is irrelevant to the topic, yet you keep yammering on about it and wanting me to “condone” the US’ actions in Hawaii. What I condone or not condone has no bearing on the PRC and Taiwan situation. What the US did in Hawaii has no bearing on the PRC and Taiwan situation. You’re just trying to deflect the actual argument.

        Again, your argument is nonsensical and I explained in detail why it’s nonsensical.

        No, you didn’t. You sidestepped the topic altogether and tried to turn the discussion into something else.

        China will either let people of Taiwan kick US out the way people did in Hong Kong, or they will take action to kick US out. Either way, the end result will be that US is going to lose its unsinkable carrier.

        And when that day happens, the PRC will finally own Taiwan. Until then, it’s just hand waving and words. Feel free to send me a “I told you so” message when it happens.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          1 year ago

          And I’ve explained several times why I think China should start doing all the things US is doing in Taiwan in Hawaii. Of course, you’re correct that making parallels between the two is at best superficial. Taiwan is rogue province of China, while Hawaii is an independent country US occupied by force.

          Meanwhile, I don’t know what argument you claim I’m trying to deflect given that I’ve repeatedly addressed yours directly.

          And when that day happens, the PRC will finally own Taiwan. Until then, it’s just hand waving and words. Feel free to send me a “I told you so” message when it happens.

          If you genuinely believe that then really don’t know what else to tell you. It’s pretty obvious that China is allowing Taiwan to play these games, but the reality is there is no substance behind them. Claiming Taiwan is independent is like claiming that CHAZ was independent before cops cleared it out.

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            1 year ago

            Look, it’s simple:

            Can the PRC arrest me if I run down the streets of Taipei naked? No? Then they don’t own Taiwan.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              1 year ago

              Literally the argument you could make about CHAZ while it was around. Does that mean CHAZ was a legitimate autonomous region in any meaningful sense?

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                1 year ago

                That part of Cap Hill still received government services and laws still applied there. Police could go in and arrest people. The police chose to ignore calls on the area.

                The two situations have jack shit to do with each other and are not similar at all.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  1 year ago

                  Taiwan is likewise entirely dependent on mainland China economically, and Chinese military could go in and put an end to the farce any time as well. They’re choosing to let the situation be. It’s basically exactly the same situation.

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                    1 year ago

                    Taiwan is absolutely not entirely dependent on the mainland. The PRC also does not have the ability put any successful military force on the island otherwise they would have done it. It is delusional to think otherwise.