I will no longer be able to assist with development nor debugging actual issues with the software… Quite juvenile behavior from the devs. It stemmed from this issue where the devs continuously argued in public by opening and closing an issue. Anyway, thought I would keep y’all apprised of the situation, since these are the people maintaining the software you are currently using.
You kept posting offtopic comments which added nothing to resolving the issue. So I gave you a seven day ban, hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
My first comment directly discusses the issue at hand. It wasn’t off topic. It’s clear you didn’t want any feedback on the issue because it makes you look bad. I explicitly talked about how client side scheduling is a bad idea that does not accomplish the goal of scheduling. And then I gave feedback directly concerning the exact issue I was commenting on of how your conduct was unfitting of lead devs of a major software project, where you squabbled in public in a really weird way, and you refused to even think about discussing the topic (closing the issue over and over again when your coworker had opened it and asked for discussion? Really dude?). Then you finally banned me without any warning or discussion of why.
And no, it’s not going to teach me any lesson, all it did was teach the entire community you have no clue how to run an open source software project. No warning, no explanation, just juvenile marking of comments as off topic (they weren’t), closing of the issue your main dev opened and then boom banned.
This isnt the first time Nutomic has reacted in such a egotistical way, especially when someone points out a flaw in the software. I’ve seen a few issues that were actual issues with the software–not feature requests–that he’s closed and dismissed. One of the issues were mine. He definitely needs help with maintaining the software but I dont know how he expects anyone to help with the way he’s been acting.
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And yet, I don’t know of a better project. Growing, maintained projects will usually get better over time (take major refactors, when being modular, rewritten parts of it etc.). But yeah growing needs to have a healthy and friendly Community Code of Conduct, and that I am more concerned of…
Really?
Mastodon. Firefish. KBin. Pleroma. Pixelfed.
Like, every other instance type on Activitypub. Lemmy doesn’t work better than any of them, it’s just more geared toward community discussion (KBin aside). What Lemmy prospers from isn’t just the project itself, but the communities that happen to have attached themselves to it.
Mastodon - not a link aggregator, tree-threaded, kbin hmm PHP (yuk) and mostly one contributor and by far not as feature rich as lemmy. The rest similarly as Mastodon is not close to reddit as lemmy is.
And yes ActivityPub grows with multiple projects, but I mean specifically something like lemmy or kbin and something that can be a reddit replacement of sorts. There’s a little bit more happening than just ActivityPub behind the scenes btw. And it’s still no small feat to have a platform like Mastodon or lemmy (I think those two are the mostly the forerunners by now). Sure it’s not super complex, but the amount of features are often underestimated by a lot of people (as far as I can read here and often somewhere else, so why is there no real alternative to lemmy yet…?)
Yeah, I mean, that’s fair. I do obviously prefer the discussion format or I’d be off fiddling around with Firefish. But also, like, on another level, the redditesque format seems to bring this inherent negativity, toxicity and one-upping garbage. Though that has gotten a lot worse since the reddit exodus, I think part of that is just people getting back into that familiar comfort zone.
It would be nice to see something that isn’t quite as user-focused as Mastodon or Firefish but isn’t quite designed to be a Reddit clone in a way that might bring something new to the table.
Sure I’m totally in for something new, maybe even more in a wiki based style (i.e. collecting knowledge) or a mix of all kinds of things (like StackExchange etc.). But I don’t think that the concerns you have, have much to do with the platform and more with the users using the platform. The communities I’m mostly on, are civil and objective/less emotionally driven. This topic is (as the title already implies) a little bit the exception…
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Nah the old official reddit code is entirely out of date, writing up something like the original official reddit clone, is not too hard, and I would rather rewrite it (in Rust obviously ^^).
Hubzilla is certainly an interesting and ambitious project (though a PHP codebase repels me a little bit, TBH). Need to check it out further. Zot also sounds interesting. Looks a little bit like a swiss-army-knife sandbox-toolkit of federated social networks.
I wanted to run an instance myself but find the info and user-base lacking. Like I really want to like Hubzilla.
You are right, it is very ambitious and it is a bit sad to not see it gather more traction.
My comment about scheduling in clients was from January and that option was already discarded by dessalines on the next day. No use in rehashing the same thing ten months later. All you are doing is creating pointless notifications for everyone. I know its not ideal to close and reopen an issue, but really why is it a big deal? We closed hundreds of issues recently which were outdated, invalid or already fixed. I accidentally closed one that still needs to be implemented and dessalines reopened it, so everything is fine. Certainly not a “squabble”, and your comments added nothing at all.
Its true that I shouldnt have given a warning first, but most likely you would have responded with another offtopic complaint so I didnt see any use in that. If you want to complain then do it somewhere else, not on the issue tracker which is meant for getting work done.
You marked all his comments in the federation bug issue off-topic, but none of them seem off topic and give you details which you quote and respond and even ask follow up questions for. How is it anything other than being petty to mark those comments off-topic?
Youre right, my mistake. Ive manually unhidden all his comments, except those in #234.
Thank you
Instead of engaging like an adult (and admitting that you were incorrect), you decided to behave like a child.
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The comments read like you banned the dev for making a telling point in favor of reopening the ticket.
The lesson I take away is that your ego is more important to you than improving Lemmy.
The issue was already open. I gave a temporary ban for posting pointless complaints which added nothing to resolving the issue.
Talk it out. Slamming a ban on a contributor it’s just immature and damaging
Really? Is it necessary to ban people about making a valid argument. I know and also don’t like people asking a low effort “What’s the status of this” (and would totally get why such a thing would be marked off-topic, but a ban over something like this is still to harsh IMHO, they will learn, that such questions are not well-received over just the marking it as off-topic).
But the comment discussed here has a valid concern (quickly closing issues that don’t have satisfactory solution yet, without getting feedback).
A better reaction would be to just ask, whether the issue at hand is still relevant, having [these] alternatives at hand etc.
You want to teach a lesson? The only lesson you’re teaching here is that you’re a twat. You get some hardheaded opinion on someone’s suggestion, refuse to listen to anything else, and ban them for explaining themselves. Grow up.
Yeah this guy is acting as if he’s a programming god who created something nobody could. This instance is called programming.dev, filled with programmers who know a little something about this programming thing. I’m a 15yoe self taught data engineer, and if I understand one thing, it is that anybody can learn programming and become great at it. I’m always proud of my code, but I never think my code is perfect. Programming and technology as a whole is constantly evolving, and what was clever/genius/wizardry yesterday is obsolete tomorrow. The only asset to a programmer is to be able to always learn new stuff, because there is always new stuff and better ways to do what you did in the past. I don’t even give detailed directions to my interns because I want to see if they do things in a different way that is better than the way I usually do things.
FR this behavior is why people left Reddit.
Can you point us to these comments so we avoid the same fate? Or perhaps contribution guidelines so we understand what to do or not do? I’ve never seen anyone banned for good faith contributions in OSS before.
I tracked down the PR in the screenshot and it seems pretty innocuous.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4039
They’d point you at the code of conduct link found in the very GitHub repo this incident concerns, but then you would realize how many of their own rules they’ve violated.
I admit I didn’t look before asking to see if they had one. Just took a look and good god. How can Lemmy devs be so crunchy and inclusive with how they want the community to operate and yet be so abrasive on GitHub? Wild shit.
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Reopening the same issue multiple times after it getting closed is a dick move. The contributer was pretty clear about the reasoning why. You are just wasting people’s time with feature requests like that.
you’re misreading the situation. Dessalines (one of the creators of lemmy) opened an issue asking for feedback on a feature. Nutomic (the second creator of lemmy) immediately closed the issue, with no feedback and no discussion. Dessalines opened it again (for good reason, there was no discussion on the topic) and then nutomic closed it again. This continued several times. I then commented about why the feature was useful, and also gave feedback as to why the issue shouldn’t be closed. This was then marked off topic so that my comment wouldn’t be seen (since it made nutomic look bad). I commented again and was immediately banned, no warning, explanation, or discussion, continuing the trend of one of the main lemmy devs not knowing how to work on a major OSS project.
The OP was not the one reopening issues, just commenting at the end. The comments are marked off-topic and collapsed. Username is snowe2010, matching OP’s Lemmy username of snowe.
It was a feature request by a maintainer from 2019, closed by another maintainer in 2023, reopen by the original maintainer shortly after, then closed again a few months later by a maintainer and reopened by the original again
This is a ridiculously off target response
You demonstrated that you are unaccountable. It’s a lesson for anyone considering investing in this project, indeed.
None of these really seem that off topic lol. Especially not the one marked off topic in the pictured post.
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Quite the ego you have there, I bet you’re fun at parties.
Projects fail when developers alienate their contributors. Grow up and act like an adult.
Egos are terribly ugly. Please put yours away.
I agree. That’s why Rosanne has no ego. You go girl!
You forgot old man at the end of the sentance!
I don’t have time to look into this, but my gut reaction is that everyone involved in drama like this is a knob.
LOL, come on.
I’m assuming you’re referring to comments they made in other Issues, not the one linked and not the one in the screenshot?
Aggression and dishonesty aren’t going to help. You’d be better off dropping the defensive arguing and realizing that you overreacted. It’s okay to have screwed something up and admit it. You’d be getting a much better reaction if your response was along the lines of ‘Whoops, yep. Guess I’m a bit of a hot-head sometimes, I’ll try to look out for that.’
But when someone literally can’t ever admit that they could possibly be wrong, that they could possibly have overreacted in any way, how is anyone supposed to work with that?
Everyone is wrong sometimes. Being intractable about it doesn’t get you anywhere.
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