As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we’re scared of China and you’re the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India’s PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China’s name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country’s ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.
Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
Where is this statement coming from? India literally took the Galwan issue with China. India lost 20 brave men who were cremated with state honours. It was in the news for weeks. I don’t know where your “Nothing happened” statement is coming from. The defence minister/ EAM answered questions on this in parliament.
There are two sides here - absolute nationalism where India and Modi can do no wrong, and absolute cucks where everything that India, Modi, or Hindus do is all wrong. OP is one of these extremes.
You may be wrong in understanding geopolitics, just like every other Indian. I am also an Indian, and a leftist at that, and let me explain to you Modi’s motive behind China simping.
Modi understands very well that he is the face of BJP and the Hindutva neofascist ideological movement, and that BJP is falling out of favour with the masses. Hence why today he passed the women reservation bill, which was introduced few days ago. This is to sugarcoat the horrific Manipur issue, and to gain women’s votebank for elections next year.
Now, to come to why he made ANI release that video statement of how nothing happened at borders (Galwan and 40 soldiers), he did this because he realises there is a sentiment in the underbelly of many Indians against “angrej” aka Western devil, reminding of the trauma of British Raj 200 year colonisation period (hence why all these nationalist biopic movies on theaters for the past 5-6 years), so that he can capitalise on that sentiment. The core reason, however, is that Modi and Indian thinktanks see BRICS+ has won over the NATO western alliance as far as global power dynamics is concerned, and India to date has been a liberal softpower that simps for west, and one that west always tries to weaponise as a counter to China’s toppling of USA on the global stage.
Modi is doing this as a two stones one bird move – to get along with China and Russia, as the second fiddle economically to China and third fiddle militarily to Russia and China, and to seal the fate of NATO that is trying to latch onto India for years as a method to counter China, and to rile up China by militarily funding Taiwan right now. He is doing this so that he and BJP get immortalised as the ones making India a core part of the new dominant global hegemon (fueling his whole vishwaguru populist propaganda).
This also buys RSS/VHP more time for the 2024 Hindu Rashtra/Caliphate vision, to convert this country over time by installing a complete framework of ISIS style neofascist terror state, which will make Taliban look like a children’s playground. The country has fallen into the wrong hands at the wrong time, and the price of rightwing Hindutva casteism will be payed by the country after centuries, if INDIA alliance does not win the next year’s election to give us some breathing room to de-poison our mass media and social culture.
I understand your point of view but don’t you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don’t you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don’t know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don’t think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.
What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I’m not Indian.
I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn’t necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.
It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it’s foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.
Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.
Canadian sources say that, when pressed behind closed doors, no Indian official has denied the bombshell allegation at the core of this case — that there is evidence to suggest Indian government involvement in the assassination of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India’s PM Modi ‘he can do anything, he can go to any extent’.
As an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
The thing is we’re scared of China and you’re the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India’s PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China’s name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country’s ideological stance then we do have a lot in common.
Maybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
Where is this statement coming from? India literally took the Galwan issue with China. India lost 20 brave men who were cremated with state honours. It was in the news for weeks. I don’t know where your “Nothing happened” statement is coming from. The defence minister/ EAM answered questions on this in parliament.
There are two sides here - absolute nationalism where India and Modi can do no wrong, and absolute cucks where everything that India, Modi, or Hindus do is all wrong. OP is one of these extremes.
You may be wrong in understanding geopolitics, just like every other Indian. I am also an Indian, and a leftist at that, and let me explain to you Modi’s motive behind China simping.
Modi understands very well that he is the face of BJP and the Hindutva neofascist ideological movement, and that BJP is falling out of favour with the masses. Hence why today he passed the women reservation bill, which was introduced few days ago. This is to sugarcoat the horrific Manipur issue, and to gain women’s votebank for elections next year.
Now, to come to why he made ANI release that video statement of how nothing happened at borders (Galwan and 40 soldiers), he did this because he realises there is a sentiment in the underbelly of many Indians against “angrej” aka Western devil, reminding of the trauma of British Raj 200 year colonisation period (hence why all these nationalist biopic movies on theaters for the past 5-6 years), so that he can capitalise on that sentiment. The core reason, however, is that Modi and Indian thinktanks see BRICS+ has won over the NATO western alliance as far as global power dynamics is concerned, and India to date has been a liberal softpower that simps for west, and one that west always tries to weaponise as a counter to China’s toppling of USA on the global stage.
Modi is doing this as a two stones one bird move – to get along with China and Russia, as the second fiddle economically to China and third fiddle militarily to Russia and China, and to seal the fate of NATO that is trying to latch onto India for years as a method to counter China, and to rile up China by militarily funding Taiwan right now. He is doing this so that he and BJP get immortalised as the ones making India a core part of the new dominant global hegemon (fueling his whole vishwaguru populist propaganda).
This also buys RSS/VHP more time for the 2024 Hindu Rashtra/Caliphate vision, to convert this country over time by installing a complete framework of ISIS style neofascist terror state, which will make Taliban look like a children’s playground. The country has fallen into the wrong hands at the wrong time, and the price of rightwing Hindutva casteism will be payed by the country after centuries, if INDIA alliance does not win the next year’s election to give us some breathing room to de-poison our mass media and social culture.
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I understand your point of view but don’t you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don’t you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
That would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don’t know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don’t think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.
What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I’m not Indian.
I am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn’t necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.
It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it’s foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.
Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.
Yes, absolutely agreed.
The news was going to leak, so he decided to get ahead of it. He very much would have preferred to finish the investigation first
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
Our government has not released a single statement saying ‘we didn’t do it’ AFAIK. Let us know if you find any.
What evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It’s happened twice now and you think it’s an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
That’s hardly proof
Not saying it isn’t true… but from that alone nada. someone posting something on twitter and then someone is murdered… must be government?!
He’s wanted in India.
Was* wanted
Well, yeah. Obviously not wanted anymore, since they got him lol.
And if we didn’t there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof
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IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India’s PM Modi ‘he can do anything, he can go to any extent’.