Context: https://lemmy.world/comment/14613536 Screenshotted context just in case:

A user claims that the killing in Palestine stopped under Biden now. I point out that biden had full-throatedly supported the genocide for over a year. A mod deletes my post and says that biden didn’t “state” (keyword here) full-throated support for genocide.

I counter by saying I consider sending billions in support of genocide counts as full-throated support for genocide. I also point out that I didn’t say Biden stated his support for genocide and that he didn’t need to outright state it because actions speak louder than words.

I receive a temp ban for that counter and the mod adds a response where they claim the weapons were “provided for defense from Iran, full stop.” which sounds to me like actual misinformation because how the hell does bombing hospitals in Gaza defend Israel from Iran? I’m not bothered by their stupid opinion, but I am bothered that they are enforcing it through moderation.

I ran into a similar moderation problem on the Political Memes community also on .world, but I didn’t bother making a post here for that because that’s just a dumb meme community and I was better off just blocking it, but now this is concerning a world news community and it’s awful to see something like this happening in a community that’s supposed to keep people aware of the news.

But hey, maybe I’m wrong and it actually is misinformation to say it’s full-throated support of genocide to send billions in weapons to a country using those weapons to commit genocide. Please let me know what you think!

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
    4·
    5 hours ago

    BPR, in a sense.

    Hear me out.

    I don’t think any particular viewpoint should ever be censored on Lemmy, except maybe in very rare exigent circumstances which this doesn’t even remotely qualify as.

    That said, there is a massive misinformation problem on Lemmy, amplifying the true fact that Biden supported Israel’s genocide, and tying it randomly into totally different topics to the point that it distorts the real conversation and often crowds out genuine posters. That should be censored.

    I don’t think you can do it based on the viewpoint, but I absolutely get what Jordan’s trying to do here. It’s very difficult to tell if any particular person is doing misinformation, and if they’re not, you can’t censor their viewpoint, because that’s messed up. But it’s also hard to look at a whole comments section full of “GENOCIDE JOE he killed all those people I will never co-sign a genocide kamalcaust you need to call her kamalacaust blue MAGA” from people who are all incredibly obtuse and vocal in generally the same similar way when anyone talks to them about it, and not say that something should be done.

    It’s a hard problem. I have no idea if this particular poster is doing misinformation. If they aren’t, then they should be allowed to say whatever. But removing misinformation, that’s happening as an organized operation at scale, is absolutely a good thing. I wish mods did more of it, and I wish there was a better way to do it.

    So: I actually do at this point have something pretty akin to “proof” that particular posters are doing misinformation on Lemmy in an organized fashion. If there are any admins that are interested to want to see it, message me privately and let’s talk.

    • hark@lemmy.worldOP
      4·
      5 hours ago

      That’s perhaps understandable if it was an isolated comment, but my first comment was in direct response to someone else who said, which I quoted, “we were told it would stop [if] Harris lost!” to which I responded by asking who was saying that because I can’t imagine anyone serious saying that. In fact, that user’s claim could be considered misinformation because it was completely misrepresenting the protest against genocide (but their post remains unmodded because I guess the mod agrees with them). I then went on to point out that the genocide had been going on for over a year by that point and I used “full-throatedly” because although the biden administration were pretending to hold back israel with like one shipment of weapons paused, they were providing israel with everything they needed to completely destroy Gaza.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        4·
        4 hours ago

        “we were told it would stop [if] Harris lost!” to which I responded by asking who was saying that because I can’t imagine anyone serious saying that.

        There are people, this week, saying that Trump was able to end the war, because unlike Biden, he’s not afraid to get tough with the Israelis. I agree with you that isn’t a serious thing for them to say, but they are certainly saying it.

        Here are some:

        https://ponder.cat/post/1381069/1571676

        So so far Trump did much more for Palestinian lifes than Biden. That is not a big achievement of Trump. It just shows that Biden indeed is genocide Joe, who chose every day to continue this, despite all it taking to end it being a phone call.

        Emphasis is mine.

        Another:

        https://ponder.cat/post/1323549/1513345

        Are you saying Biden wanted to end the war, but couldn’t?

        Several different people have been talking about how it’s going to stop, now, because Harris lost and it’s Trump. I agree. That’s absurd.

        I’m not trying to have an extensive debate about the original topic here. I actually agree with you that Jordan removing your point of view, because in his opinion it’s provably wrong, is totally PTB. I read back on the context and you 100% have a point. It bugged me. The mods can’t go around deciding who’s right and wrong and removing the wrong comments. I’m just saying that there is a tide of misinformation on this exact topic, with some of it conforming to the parameters you say would be an insane thing for someone to say. Which I agree with. Which is why several different people all saying it, apparently not wanting to engage with any reasonable dialogue about it, and shifting their positions, and making outlandish strawmans about the other side, et cetera, is a problem.

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
        3·
        5 hours ago

        Comment above would be credited if Lemmy world mods didn’t have well documented history of censorship based on their personal and or regime talking points

        On lemmy world, luigi is committing a genocide and Israel did nothing wrong 🤡

    • Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      5 hours ago

      So: I actually do at this point have something pretty akin to “proof” that particular posters are doing misinformation on Lemmy in an organized fashion. If there are any admins that are interested to want to see it, message me privately and let’s talk.

      You should probably message those people’s admins.