German here. This is 99% sure fake news. German police is only able to even touch kids at that age to take them back to their parents. Kids up to 14 are executively immune from the law. The source is also kind of iffy. The right to protest is also enshrined in German law. As long as they are not violent they can protest all day long.
also german here. the demo i recently went to was cut short by police for no apparent reason.
also many others are being blocked by the cops before they get to happen.
this country is also raiding organizers homes and recently banned a group called “palästina solidarität duisburg” which organized protests as well.
and its all happening in the name of what they call “staatsräson” or some vague ideas of chants like “from the river to the sea, palestine will be free” being antisemitic.
lastly, the idea that cops give a shit abt following the law is ridiculous if u ask me
chants like “from the river to the sea, palestine will be free” being antisemitic.
Iirc this can fall under antisemitism as it impies the wish to “destroy” izzy. I don’t agree, but thats why.
Even though you’re right about a lot of this, checking news’ sources is always important, especially now.
I want to destroy the state of Israel. Just like my ancestors destroyed the Third Reich. Guess what, Third Reich was destroyed and the Germans didn’t go extinct. Likewise, Israel being destroyed will not mean any harm to the Jewish people.
If someone thinks Israel = Jews, they’re admitting it’s an ethnostate.
Does anybody claim it isn’t? Wtf?
Iirc this can fall under antisemitism as it impies the wish to “destroy” izzy. I don’t agree, but thats why.
yea, im aware of the bullshit they make up so they can crack down on protests.
doesnt make it true tho.
I’m just explaining how it may be looked at legally.
Germany has a couple of laws about these sort of statements for obvious reasons.I condemn Izzy’s actions.
I wish for Palestine to be internationally recognized and protected.
I hate that so few people do not get that anti zionism is not anti semitic, fucking all or nothing thinking, makes me angry 😤
Like, as if i’m not allowed to hate war fanatics just because they happen to be jews?!
Fuck all religion.
What you’re saying is absolute horseshit.
They banned many many protests in Germany (before they happened, at the permit phase). The excuse the authorities give is usually vague security concerns, and they always argue that something antisemitic or glorifying violence might be said. And they explictly define any fundamental critique of Israel as antisemitism and any positive mention or symbol of any armed resistance group as glorifying violence, but only for pro-Palestinian groups. You can show support for the IDF as much as you like, in fact providing not just symbolic support, but support in the form of actual lethal weapons is facilitated at the highest levels of the state. That is legal and encouraged. Saying “Palestine will be free.” gets you detained.
The person you replied to was solely writing about the treatment of young kids. So what you are writing is completely out of context, and, pardon me please, abdolute horseshit.
Check again what the parent poster said:
As long as they are not violent they can protest all day long.
Which is what I replied to, and which is clearly not true, they ban nonviolent protests all the time.
source?
Tons. This on is from Oct 30 in The Nation:
The German state’s show of support has led to an outright banning of most pro-Palestine protests. […]
The reasons for the bans seemed unambiguous: German police said that there was an “imminent danger” that the assemblies will result in “inciting, anti-Semitic slogans,” as well as “glorification of violence.”
Preemptively. Because antisemitism and “glorification of violence” might occur. And by antisemitism they mean things like this:
On October 13, Berlin police declared uttering the slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” forbidden and indictable. That same day, Berlin’s education senator, Katharina Günther-Wünsch, sent a letter to all Berlin school principals offering them the option to ban students from wearing “pro-Palestinian symbols such as the keffiyeh.” “Any act or expression of opinion that can be understood as advocacy or approval of the attacks against Israel,” she wrote, “constitutes a threat to school peace and is prohibited.”
At a demo some weeks ago in Berlin I definitely saw them chasing a kid that was 12 or younger, but luckily he was swift and disappeared into the crowd that was starting to surround and corner the police after they charged the crowd from the side into an otherwise completely relaxed demo. Obviously, the kid was arab.
Police in Germany is composed of pigs as much as any other police force.
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Which? The one to which you replied or the grandparent / original claim?
Germany has no laws it has Zionism. Judges have ruled multiple actions from the German police illegal such as the banning of a speaker.
The police can shut down any protest, if it was not filed for in advance. Unless of course you protest with a tractor. The police is powerless against tractors. The hierarchy in Germany is therefore:
Tractor > Bureaucracy > Police > You and Me
You have to register at a certain expected size so police can have enough policemen on site to be able to keep public order. There are very few cases where these applications have been denied and with good reason. Demonstrations are only dissolved if they get too unruly and dangerous for the public.
Berlin police have confirmed that a 13-year-old was detained “on suspicion of insult,” which is a criminal offence under German law.
Dawg…
Basically the cop felt like teaching that kid a lesson… Nothing will ever come from this, its just overreach.
You’d think that Germany would want to be on the right side of history this time.
Na, they know genocide when they see it and don’t waste the opportunity to help.
Thats like the oppisite of the issue here.
Remembrance is so deeply ingrained into our society, that a lot of people in power are struggling to even criticise Israel.
Add to that highly emotionally charged discourse and frustration in the general public at these protests plus cops being cops, jumping at an opportunity to bash lefties and you get this bullshit.
They should remember the genocide properly and not want to repeat it upon any ethnic group. Unfortunately, all they remember is that Jews were involved. I guess the concept of “genocide” is a little too complicated for a Nazi to recognise.
Unfortunately, all they remember is that Jews were involved
idk where you’re from, but you’re massively misrepresenting how “remembrance culture” works.
And if you’re implying German = Nazi you can fuck right off.
I’m not implying Germans are Nazis. I’m implying people who support ethnic cleansing are Nazis. Which includes the current government of Germany, and many but not all of the people.
They didn’t realize the problem with the holocaust was the genocide bit, instead of the Jewish part. That’s the only explanation for this behavior: they keep talking about their mistake, but obviously learned the wrong lesson.
This! Exactly this! This thinking hurts my brain! Let me be against war without being called a nazi! Like WTF??
I am a fucking hippy, not a nazi!
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First of all, the actions of a state aren’t the actions of the people who live in a country - some may agree with those actions, but others still disagree. And even among those who agree, it’s hard to know whether they would still agree if they weren’t subjected to the state/media propaganda of their country.
This problem, like so many others, is a systemic one, not an individual one. If you’re looking for people to blame, its the wealthy elite.
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