Why does CNN put genocide in quotes in the article after the international court has already ruled that the actions in Gaza meet the definition?
“Journalistic integrity”
PS: but also what the other person said.
Technically, they only ruled that genocide is plausible enough to hear the case (and that South Africa has a right to bring the case).
Guys. Vote in your interests. Sure Biden might be a complicit war criminal but the other guy is a domestic criminal who would be an enthusiastic war criminal given half a chance.
Secure your country from the Putin’s pet orangutan for another four years, then rake Biden across the coals.
If we’re lucky, we won’t have to deal with either of them in 2028.
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I agree with you and I’d like to point out we’ve done studies and found that “Russiagate” in 2016 was a big nothingburger. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/
Democrats don’t want to hear it, though, because it’s a very convenient excuse for their own failings. Just like them blaming Bernie Bros, despite Bernie supporters voting for Clinton in larger numbers than Clinton supporters voted for Obama 8 years prior.
They simply don’t want to take responsibility for their own actions (and inaction).
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There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious about trump when it comes to colluding with foreign powers, and there is even some evidence. I agree that people often take it too far, into the conspiracy theory territory. But I don’t think it’s quite comparable with QAnon, either in feasibility, or in scope, or in the problematic effects that it may have.
Also, the American system is, at best, only semi-democratic. The politicians are the ones who determine who is in power, much more than the people who actually vote. Are the citizens really responsible for what politicians we have? Am I responsible, as a man who votes conscientiously, who has campaigned during important elections, and yet does not have any real influence in who gets elected? Is the average person, who is just barely getting by, really expected to change the system by themselves?
We need systemic change, but we have no class consciousness, and we are not likely to get there. These facts are manipulated by the people in power.
Hey yeah, I should stop picking on that Putin guy! 😁
I said Trump was Putin’s pet. He’s a foreign agent only by happenstance and perhaps through manipulation.
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And Trump is Putin’s pet.
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Why do you think a conspiracy is necessary for Trump to be Putin’s pet?
You seem to be convinced that I’m some kind of conspiracy theorist but I already told you I think Trump is a “Russian agent” through happenstance.
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How is it a straw man? It’s a clear implication of your words. Explain how else your position could be interpreted.
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I don’t know what country you live in but that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.
Can you please elaborate on what the “foreign agent bullshit” you’re talking about is?
And can you please also explain how said bullshit is akin to how republicans are blaming Qanaon? (And also please explain what republicans are “blaming” Qanon for, as it’s my understanding that most republicans are followers of Qanon, not critics.)
If you are a bot account I am sorry for putting you through the wringer as it’s my first day.
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So… When your choices are between two war criminals, your first thought isn’t that the system needs change but that we should vote for the war criminal with a track record of war crimes?
The system needs to change, but with one of those criminals it’s slow progress in the right direction and with the other it’s a sprint towards fascism. Take your pick.
slow progress in the right direction
lol
Freudian slip 😄
Great contribution to the conversation. Laugh if you want, but voting for Democrats in general elections and voting progressive in primaries is the only way this country will make any progress. Push for ranked choice and other non-FPTP voting systems to get people better representation.
But there has been no progress during my lifetime (well not here and not in the US, there might have been some progress in other parts of the world). In fact, whenever we had “left”-liberals in power here in Germany, the march towards the right only accelerated, as they adopted right-wing neoliberal policies and took at least part their base with them over to the right, and the rest gets marginalized. We’ve had some fatal damage done to the welfare state, worker’s rights and the anti-war movement, all by the social democrats and greens.
Your affirmation that there is “slow progress” is clearly not true. There was some progress before I was born, but as far as I can tell, that had nothing at all to do with voting for the lesser evil.
Are we talking about the US or Germany? And how long have you been alive? Things like legalized gay marriage, legalized marijuana (not federally but in many states), healthcare that can’t deny people because of pre-existing conditions are all examples of progress that have come in the last 15 years. There’s still a long way to go even on those things I mentioned, but ignoring that progress is needlessly pessimistic.
Sure but it’s always like one small step forward and two large steps back. Abortion was made illegal in many states. US domestic surveillance of its own citizens has increased dramatically and gone unchallenged. Housing and healthcare costs have continued to outpace wage growth. Inequality has increased unabated. Green energy remains woefully underfunded. I could go on.
At least there was opposition to Trump when he did his fascism. Biden is literally funding, arming, and defending the modern day holocaust and liberals are still flocking to support him. Anyone who votes for him is just as complicit in the genocide as he is, just as the Germans liberals who voted for the Nazi party were. How are you lot still not-seeing the full picture??
Anyone who votes for him is just as complicit in the genocide as he is
What country do you think you live in?? Your entire population has been complicit and BENEFITTED from atrocities perpetrated by your government for decades! Now it’s finally so bad that you can see it and what is the solution? Fuck Biden. Let’s have Trump. Blow it all up. Let it all burn.
No, you fix what you have. Because power vacuums get filled by the most ruthless person on the block, always.
Looking for where I said “vote for the other genocidal fascist”: 0/0 results found
Face it, you’re complicit in genocide. None of the other context changes that.
You don’t have to vote for the other genocidal facist to let him become the president. Poor voter turnout will work just as well.
But go ahead, ignore the rest of the context and cherry pick the thing you think you have a response to.
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Man, the cognitive dissonance Americans must have to deal with.
Sorry you had to find out this way, but it’s been going on for most of your lives if you’d only cared out the rest of the world enough to look past your own borders.
It’s called american exceptionalism and this idea that you can just blow it up by voting for (or not voting against) the orange guy is just another example of it.
Fixing what you have is hard work. Burning it all down is a child’s response and will fuck the rest of the world up.
Agreed. Trump’s recent rhetoric has been about dictatorship not presidency. It increasingly appears like a trump win would be the last election for a while.
Sadly, frustratingly, infuriatingly true.
When is your election and what is your plan to “change the system” before then?
When will sweet death take them?
Hopefully before it takes us
Remember when the professionals were saying that Trump was an incompetent fascist and we should be worried about is the competent fascist that would come after him? Biden is that competent fascist. If Trump did half of what Biden did, it would be because he fucked it up half way.
Biden is actually the current figurehead of a very effective facist machine, imo, but I still don’t want someone as incompetent as the alternative running the USA. That shit has a major affect on the rest of the world.
First you prevent the orange man from taking office and further accelerating the deterioration of international order – please – then you can look into your own country’s issues, among which are milking conflict for profit and power (my country is the same, we’re just smaller. I’m looking into it!)
Remember, Biden is carrying on the status quo. The USA has a long history of letting shit slide with Israel, long before Biden. It’s just that Bibi is an evil trapped rat who has inadvertently “blown up Biden’s game.”
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If you need me to persuade you to participate in your election, I can’t help you.
If you really think 4 more years under Trump is preferable, I can’t help you.
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Enjoy! Disenfranchised voters are an autocrat’s dream. Can’t say I blame you, though.
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Imagine thinking you’ll even be able to legally protest if Trump is president.
Pelosi is already directing the FBI to investigate pro-Palestine protestors https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pelosi-fbi-pro-palestine-protesters-russia-1234955648/
Is this what we can expect for every criticism of the Biden administration for the next year? All you are really telling swing voters is that their opinion is irrelevant. What do you think that will do for turnout? Why do you think the administration itself isn’t making use of this brilliant electoral strategy? When Trump wins, you can thank the guy in the mirror.
Did I say their opinion is irrelevant? I said, like last time, Trump will attack them and try to outlaw protests while working for the highest bidder. It’s not an attempt at swaying, it’s stating fact. You don’t get change by replacing the status quo guy with a straight up fascist.
If ever criticism is met with “But Trump…”, then you are making their opinion irrelevant. There will always be a worse Republican.
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Pelosi is currently calling for protests to be suppressed. I care more about what politicians are actually doing than what you imagine they are going to do in your CNN addled brain
I don’t watch CNN, but I did watch Trump call for the National guard to deal with protesters and tear gas them for a photo op.
It literally is not, you’re just speculating.
It’s fact, based on his track record.
Fascism is the status quo.
Maybe, but I’ll take “maybe fascism” over full on Christofascism.
At least Biden’s not tear gassing protesters to take a picture holding a Bible for masturbating Christofascists.
Btw, I’m in no way a Biden supporter, but I’ll be fucked if I support Trump.
It was also reported by the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-fbi-russia-gaza-protesters.html
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And when he was president he regularly tried to outlaw protests, tear gasses them, etc. Not to mention a Trump presidency costed Roe v Wade and stacked the supreme Court with bought and sold Christofascists. I didn’t say he never was president, I said he’ll straight up outlaw protests the next time he is, which he was well on his way to doing the last time.
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Pure vibes. The Trump administration was no worse for protests than any other administration in my life time.
Are you a small child? He literally tear gassed protesters to take a photo op.
Yeah, great job there, Biden.
Nope. Trump’s admin.
The Democrats literally let the Republicans have two of those seats.
They didn’t have the house, plus they’re not great, but they’re better than Trump.
Want to make a bet on it?
It’s not a game and I’m not a child. He will.
Lol no.
Lol yeah, he literally wanted to call in the National guard, you can look it up.
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What does this comment mean in this thread?
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I’m not saying that anywhere LoL. Although now that you bring him up, that’s a clear recent example of how easily influenced Americans are by foreign influence.
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Interesting how when the shoe is on the other foot, y’all start to sound a whole lot like Trump did back when he was… rightfully accused.
We know people are being paid to show up, we can see the professionalism in the media they’re using but you aren’t at all curious about where that money’s coming from? Canada is literally investigating foreign influence on their elections right now, America has found interference in theirs but because your cause du jour is being keyed on, it’s fascism to want to know more?
Fascinating watching this all unfold.
Trump would probably bomb the shit out of Palestine.
Then the result is the same. Thanks, Biden.
Biden isn’t sending drones to bomb Palestine, to my knowledge. I’m saying that Trump would do that. If Trump were in power, it would probably be worse.
Not to excuse Biden, and his complete apathy for this ongoing genocide. It is unexcusable, and no one who tolerates genocide should be allowed anywhere near politics.
Biden isn’t sending drones to bomb Palestine, to my knowledge.
He bypassed Congress to send weapons to Israel. I think similar shit happened on several occasions, and it’s not nearing an end. What’s the difference? American tax money all the same.
I don’t think you will find anyone on this thread who supports Trump or thinks Trump will not be “worse”.
EDIT: wait, one second, seems like Biden actually may literally have done what you suggested: https://theintercept.com/2024/01/11/israel-air-force-targeting-intelligence/. And apparently the “hold my beer as I bypass the congress” happened twice
I guess he litterally sending both drones and bombs, but I meant that Trump would order a direct strike. But you’re right, that’s not much different in the end, is it? The main difference is that Biden maintains some plausible deniability. “WE didn’t kill anyone! We didn’t know they would use these tools for genocide!”. Maybe in some sense that IS worse.
Deep in my heart, I just hope both Trump and Biden get heart attacks before the elections kick off. Voters would get a fresh choice then.
I’m afraid that in our current political system, voters would get a fresh choice of candidates who would probably still send weapons to Israel. Somehow we need deeper political change.
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When Trump was president suddenly all the atrocities of the Obama presidency weren’t acceptable. Now that Biden is president it’s all fine again. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather a public that is paying attention and thus limiting the president from being able to facilitate genocide.
Things are changing, if slowly. People are paying attention, and they are pissed at Biden.
It’s already been decimated. By Joe Biden.
If you think that’s a good enough argument, you are severely mistaken.
Yeah so vote for the guy that will bomb them even more AND ALSO fuck our own country and our own people.
As if voting for Trump will end up better somehow. Trump would bomb Americans if they said something that hurt his feelings.
Literally no one said that.
I love how this is literally the only response libs have. Can’t criticize Biden on anything because Trump is worse. Now shut up and support our genocider in chief.
There’s a sign in the image for this post that says “don’t make me vote for Trump”
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that people would discuss the submission based on the screenshot as opposed to the actual content of the submission. That said, libs have been telling everyone in the last election that it was critical to elect Biden to stop Trump and for US to change course. After three years of Biden, nothing changed and Trump is more popular than ever. Seems that the policies that Biden admin has been pursuing accomplished exact opposite of what was promised.
And all leftists I know from the US are aware of that, but still vote for Biden, since Trump would do so much damage. Not voting for Democrats as a leftist is accelerationist bullshit. You can perform direct action and also vote against the fascist.
The reason people are responding to the image is because they have the most inane take pushed right into their faces.
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Maybe you should look up the definition of fascist and check whose rhetoric and actions align with what happened in Germany a hundred years ago.
“fascism” means something specific. It’s bad that you Americans only have the choice between an average Western neoliberal colonialist and a fascist, but it’s very clear which one is the lesser evil.
The sign in the fucking image does.
Oh, you’re right actually. Sorry. I meant no one in the discussion thread is saying that.
Thank you for owning up to your mistake, sincerely. Not enough people are willing to do that.
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